Question:
Now that the USA have woken up to global warming does that mean?
cymry3jones
2007-02-17 05:26:10 UTC
that, in future, they will threaten to invade countries which have not significantly reduced their carbon footprint?
Eighteen answers:
Moebious
2007-02-17 12:00:24 UTC
Felicity - a humours slant on a serious question. America is currently run by lunatics that feel they can do what the hell they like provided that they wrap it up in the stars and stripes and describe it with words like "Patriot", "Christian", "Liberty", "Freedom" and "Democracy". Thankfully, their day is nearly done although the damage they have wrought in the name of freedom and democracy will last for centuries to come.



Regards the US waking up to Global Warming, the constant undermining of the science and the trivialisation of this issue again by the current crackpot administration, that too has had a profound effect - namely to plug denial and outright agression it would seem into the population so that anything that could demonstrate the fact that this is an issue, is shouted down or ignored. You can see the effects of this campaign of misinformation in many of the naysayer responses above, many of whom I might add haven't the faintest idea of what they are talking about and are merely parrotting what they have heard on TV (probably FOX) - for those of you still stuck with this misinformation - WAKE UP YOU'RE IN BUSH COUNTRY, AKA THE 51st STATE, AKA THE STATE OF DENIAL. THEY'VE BEEN LYING TO YOU! THERE IS A BIG, BIG PROBLEM AND STICKING YOU HEAD IN THE SAND WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The science of global warming is persued by many thousands of the brightest scienfic minds we have. Literally millions of man hours have been expended in the modelling efforts. Multiple different and independently created models are in broad agreement - it's not the science nor the scientists that are wrong - it's the politicians. And finally it looks like the message has got through, thanks to Al Gore for the US and (more concretely) because there is unnanimity of agreement in the scientific community. The doubts and obfuscations conjured up to prevent action have been resolved beyond reasonable doubt - and the results are in IT'S HAPPENING, IT'S HAPPENING NOW, FAR FASTER THAN WE THOUGHT AND WITH FAR MORE SERVERE CONSEQUENCES THAN WE COULD HAVE IMAGINGED.



This is NOT about stealing and wasting your tax dollars - the invasion of Iraq did that. It's not a conspiracy to do away with America. Your current leaders are doing that all on their own, in your name. This IS about saving the planet for future generations and the adoption of sustainable economic policies before we trash the Earth so badly that we all end up dead and the Earth too.



I've complied 4 links attached below that show you the whole story: the sceince (link 1), the economics (link 2), the moral obligation to act (link 3) and the monsters behind the door (link 4). To all those naysayers above - PLEASE have a look at the these links and PLEASE, for pities sake try to see past the BS they've cemented into your minds and see the obvious - it's staring you in the face.



LT



PS. I recon we have 25 years to sort this out or we are doomed, because there is one carbon rich domino after another waiting to fall and push temperatures so high we end up like Venus - and we could be there in less than 100 years if we just carry on as we are. That cannot be allowed to happen and will not be allowed to happen.
A_Kansan
2007-02-17 05:52:35 UTC
It means we've parked our brains and swallowed the baloney hook, line and sinker.



REAL scientists are speaking up, not the political socialists and those controlled by the multinational companies.



This is a conspiracy to destroy America. Just think about it for a second.



We measure climates in thousands of years, not a century, and we are below average for the last 40,000 years.



THAT IS CORRECT! We are 5 degrees to 7 degrees below the known highs for that period and 5 degrees to 7 degrees above the lows for that period.



Around the 6th century there began a warming period that was 5 degrees warmer than we are now. It was so warm that during the warming period, the Vikings discovered, are you ready for this, GREENLAND.



It was so warm, there that they could actually farm the land, same for Newfoundland.



Then beginning around the end of the 13th century, we entered a mini ice age that ran until around 1850. During that period, the glaciers advanced many miles covering those areas we know today. If the glaciers retreat some, it would only put them bake to where they were before the warming period 1500 years ago.



You will notice that every temperature measurement that we base the warming on, begins during the mini ice age. WELL OF COURSE IT IS GOING TO BE WARMER THAN DURING AN ICE AGE, DUH!



The so-called scientist that are pushing this crap, are socialistic and are swayed by the grant dollars the receive.



They are in a conspiracy with the globalists who want to spread socialism and ruin America's prosperity.



Not far behind them are the multinational companies who see this as a way to force everyone to purchase different cars, stove, and fridges. To build new power stations, nueclear and wind.



THEY SEE BILLIONS OF $$$$$ FLOWING INTO THEIR POCKETS BECAUSE OF THIS BALLONEY.



DON'T BUY INTO THE PC, SOCALIST CROWD.



If you do, you won't have a car, your house will be 10 sqft. Electricity will cost you 5 times, what it costs now. You won't have ANY AC, as you won't be able to afford running it. Your house will be 10 sq. ft. and have little room for more than a bed and toilet.



THAT IS THE REAL TRUTH.
Kes
2007-02-17 06:06:09 UTC
Global warming will remain a problem until all the sound bites are replaced by sound science! The USA is leading the way with computer models of the earth that take about a month to make one run (using super computers). The real problem is to reduce carbon exhaust to the atmosphere without displacing too many jobs overseas where there are often even less restrictions on pollution. For example, using switch grass to make ethanol takes carbon out of the atmosphere and returns it when burned, thus recycling carbon rather than burning fossil fuels that cause a net increase in carbon. We will have an ongoing problem until people want to learn the devil in the details rather than spout off empty rhetoric. Whose side are you on anyway?
Jewel
2007-02-17 06:18:20 UTC
Possibly - depends on their next Leader.



It would be very helpful if the planet could have a truly United Nations on this topic.



As it won't make any difference unless all Nations are United.



However I suspect global warming and global dimming need to be thought about very seriously.



Do we consider the consequences of the planet heating up when the US stopped all air traffic after the twin towers incident. It's a bit of a catch 22 - but to be sure we must have some very clever people that the United Nations can support to resolve the dilemma.
DR. V
2007-02-17 06:14:06 UTC
not much cuz they don't listen when the right answer is presented. the global warming they are talking about is a natural occurring thing . the planet is try to keep itself in the right balance.

we are still leaving a ice age in america . the polar magnetic north during the ice age was somewhere near the great lakes. just a short while ago we moved another fraction towards the south. this is because the planet is trying to stabilize the spin and move water to the southern hemisphere to irrigate the dry regions in the south . the hole in the ozone not only gets bigger but they never tell you when it gets smaller which it does on a regular basis it is a temperature and cleaning regulator. mount st. helens put out more pollution in 1 day than man has in almost 10 years there is a report put out by the university of arizona and printed by omni mag. that tells of a direct link to volcanic eruptions to the opening of the hole the only other thing that has a noticeable in pact on it is a forest fire greater than 10000 acres there is all so one on the south pole that is greater because we have almost constant volcanic activity below the equator deforestation is greater problem than pollution. this is a global trend that will continue regardless of mans actions.
narkypoon
2007-02-17 10:37:04 UTC
Some notes for A_Kansan:



30,000 of the last 40,000 years were an Ice Age, not a mini-one either it was the greatest of the five known over the last 3 million years. The mini-ice age was during the centuries from about 1600 AD -1870s AD a period during most of which the USA did not exist as a political entity, so the ignorance & misunderstanding of this recent history is understandable.



Some coastal parts (where the Vikings landed in ships) of Greenland, have been ice-free for many centuries. The Greenland Ice-Cap, however, is MILES THICK (like certain people) and dated at 400, 000 years plus change.



Kansans are so clever in their knowledge of weather and environmental factors that in the 1930's they ploughed every inch of the State flat for cereal farming and watched it blow away in the wind.



'Those who fail to grasp the lessons of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes'
2007-02-17 05:46:46 UTC
yes now that the USA "has" woken up we intend to invade every country that "has" not significantly reduced their carbon footprint...



As a Elementary Graduate---USA= singular therefor Has

United States of America= refer to States(plural) therefor Have.

Countries= plural-hence have is correct.

thus my use of country= singular and Has.



You have just learned grammer and war mongering how do you feel?



Why such a narrow minded question anyway? The United States does not wage war and invade other countries every time they get the whim to do so... if that was the case don't you think that France would be a US province by now?
gnegy
2016-12-04 12:10:13 UTC
The HYSTERIA over international warming is organic garbage! maximum persons - scientists coated - agree that we've had a number of ice a at the same time as in the previous. maximum ideal? certain. So if human interest is what's responsible for international warming - how did we ever come out of those ice a at the same time as at the same time as there have been not any inner combustion engines(vehicles) and no industries to pollute! How did the ice melt in the previous humanity arrived? we've had a finished temperature enhance in the most suitable one hundred years of about 0.5 ranges. in the midst of iciness in the better Midwest I guess people savour that it is now 9.5 ranges decrease than 0 quite of 10 decrease than 0 in the midst of January. people, awaken! The solar places this international through cycles of warming and cooling over lengthy stretches of geologic time, and if all of us were given rid of our vehicles the following day it does no longer substitute a aspect. Do be fooled through this rip-off! for sure the completed international ought to do that is area no longer to pollute, yet regardless of if the U.S. grow to be waiting to end ALL pollution of that is personal, it does no longer have a lot of an impression global, because China and India are going to proceed to boost up there belching of all way of toxins as they strengthen. in case you are able to not clarify how the earth warmed from ice a at the same time as in the previous people were given the following, then you quite can not blame people for the tiny little bit of warming that has got here about at the moment. And what are you going to assert at the same time as the suns cycle initiate to relax us down again?
bigjonnyt
2007-02-17 05:59:41 UTC
Really has America woken up to Climate change or are they merely paying lip service. Federal goverment won't act on it as it will damage big business therefore money, power, votes.



State by state is likely the best bet to try and get one by one all the states to independently join climate treaties. UK has abandonned trying to pursuade DUBYA and is now pursuing such a policy
?
2007-02-17 05:31:07 UTC
Haha. Probably. But like their attempts to actually DO anything to cut global warming - their reasons for invading other countries will also be empty ones.
2007-02-17 05:32:41 UTC
i doubt that the USA has woken up to it judging by the attempts to suppress any mention of Global Warming or climate change
?
2007-02-17 06:55:28 UTC
It means that in addition into being fooled into an unjust war, Americans are buying into the global warming LIE.
scientific_boy3434
2007-02-17 05:32:51 UTC
no, they're a re just trying to make money about global warming as fast as possible. no politician really cares about global warming.

they will do really something when half the USA will be a desert and we will cultivate Greenland.
Dirt Bag
2007-02-17 05:35:24 UTC
No. And Tall Dude doesn't need to know which country you're from. Either way he's right.
bbsmokoloko
2007-02-17 05:36:10 UTC
I don't think we have woken up yet..I don't think invade either but I do have us making trouble in the united nations pushing for them to change.because if we had to, they would have to..
Scotty
2007-02-17 06:07:10 UTC
Probably.
2007-02-17 05:29:15 UTC
No just your country..
Spud55
2007-02-17 06:33:35 UTC
Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

By Timothy Ball



Monday, February 5, 2007



Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.





What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?



Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.



No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?



Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.



I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.



Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.



No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.



I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.



In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?



Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.



I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, "State of Fear" he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.



Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen's. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology - especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.



I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.



As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.



Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.



Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.



I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky's book "Yes, but is it true?" The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky's findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky's students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.





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Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project, is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com


This content was originally posted on Y! Answers, a Q&A website that shut down in 2021.
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